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Official Transcript: Roger Pionana (Part 1 of 7) Role: Investigator Country of Origin: Madagascar Interview Date: 15 October 2008 Location: Butare, Rwanda Interviewers: John McKay Batya Friedman Videographer: Patricia Boiko Interpreter: Emmanuel Bimenyimana Interview Summary Roger Pionana discusses his experience as an investigator in Rwanda, speaking in particular to the ICTR’s use of female investigator teams when seeking information about gender-based violence. He addresses investigation strategies in a situation where large numbers of people were involved with the crimes. Pionana speaks to the difficulty of finding witnesses in the early days after the genocide, when many Rwandans had fled the country, and describes the process of approaching possible witnesses for the first time. The transcript of Part 1 begins on the following page. ©2009-2015UniversityofWashington|Downloadedfromtribunalvoices.org ThisworkislicensedunderCreativeCommonsAttribution3.0UnportedLicense CoverPage Roger Pionana Part 1 00:00 JohnMcKay:MynameisProfessorJohnMcKay,I’mfromSeattleUniversity,Schoolof Law,wearehereinButare,RwandaandtodayisOctober15th,2008.WithmealsoisDr. BatyaFriedman,fromtheUniversityofWashingtonandour,ourcamerapersontoday andourproducerisDr.PatriciaBoiko.Wouldyoupleasetellusyournameandyourrole atICTRandyournationality? 00:32 MonprénomestRoger,monnomestPionana,jesuisMalgache,doncjeviensde Madagascar,jesuisenquêteurauTribunalPénalInternational,auseindubureaudu Procureur. 00:50 JM:Verygood.Trèsbon.So,we,we,wenowwouldliketo,justrightatthevery beginning,takeyoubacktotheyear1994and,andaskyou,wherewereyouin1994,in thespringof1994? 01:06 En1994,j’étaisdansmonpays,j’exerçaiscommemagistratauseinduMinistèredela JusticedeMadagascar,maiscen’étaitqueen1996quej’aiétérecrutéparlesNationsUniespourtravaillerauseinduTPIR. 01:32 JM:Andletmeintroduceourinterpreterandaskyoutotellusyourname,fo-,forthe recordalso. 01:38 Interpreter:MynameisEmmanuelBimenyimana.I’malanguageassistantwiththe OfficeoftheProsecutoratICTR. 01:43 JM:Thankyouverymuch,andifyoucouldpleasetelluswhat,whathesaid?Wherehe, he,wherehewasin1994? 01:52 Interpreter:Hewasinhiscountry,Mada-,Madagascarandhewasworkingwiththe MinistryofJusticeasamagistrateandin1996hewasrecruitedbyUNtoworkwithICTR. 02:12 JM:Andwhendidyoufirsthearaboutthe,thegenocidehereinRwandaandwhatdid youthink? 02:20 En1994,enavril1994jusqu’aumoisdemai1994,j’aisuivicommetousmescompatriotes desséquencesvidéoquiontétédiffuséesparlatélévisionnationalemalgacheetj’aivuce quis’estpasséauRwanda. 02:40 Interpreter:In1994,inAprilandMayhewasfollowingwhatwasgoingoninRwanda fromhisnationalTVbroadcastlikemanyotherpeoplewhodidallovertheworld. 02:57 JM:DidyouthinkthenthatmaybeyouwouldbeworkinghereinRwandawiththeICTR? 03:04 Jen’avaispasencoreprévudetravaillerpourleTPIRetjen’aijamaispenséquejeserais recrutéparleTPIR. ©2009-2015UniversityofWashington|Downloadedfromtribunalvoices.org ThisworkislicensedunderCreativeCommonsAttribution3.0UnportedLicense 1 Roger Pionana 03:14 Interpreter:AtthattimeIdidn’tthinkthatIwouldworkwithICTR,I’dneverhadthat ideathatIwouldworkwiththeInternationalCriminalTribunalforRwanda. 03:27 JM:AndinyourworknowyouhavemetmanyRwandanpeople,youhavebecomevery familiarwiththegenocideandwhathashappened–what,whatdoesitmeantoyou nowtobeworkingonthisissue,theissueofthegenocide? 03:41 Vouspouveztraduire? 03:45 03:56 04:48 Interpreter:Danstesservices,tuaseudescontactsavecbeaucoupdeRwandais,au sujetdugénocide,etdoncquelesttonsentimentsurlegénocide? Legénocideestvraimentuncrimetrèsatroce.Lorsquej’étaisarrivéicilapremièrefoisen avril96,mapremièremissionquiavaitcommencélemoisdemai1996étaitdevenirà Butareetnousavonsregardélessitesde,de,deconservationdesrestesdeshumainsqui ontététuésetvraiment,çam’avraiment,vraimentimpressionné,àtelpointquej’avaisen têtevraimentde,de,que,que,queles,lesauteursdescrimessoientvraimentsanctionnés, parcequec’estvraimentatroce. Interpreter:Genocideisaveryatrociouscrimeandin1996,whenIcameherein Rwanda,Iwasappointedtoworkin,intheinvesti-,fortheinvestigationsinButare andwewerevisitingmanymassacresitesandwhatIsawreallyimpressedmeandin mymindIwassayingthatthesepeoplewhodidthismustbepunished. ©2009-2015UniversityofWashington|Downloadedfromtribunalvoices.org ThisworkislicensedunderCreativeCommonsAttribution3.0UnportedLicense 2
